Yes of course, to make a LAV first you have to make the chimera, that was the process with Yellow Fever to get a LAV that worked - OPV is also based off a chimera as well I believe. So it's an unnatural construct, but in the case of Yellow Fever and OPV/Polio, they had genes spliced around but the chimeras were almost exactly the same as…
Yes of course, to make a LAV first you have to make the chimera, that was the process with Yellow Fever to get a LAV that worked - OPV is also based off a chimera as well I believe. So it's an unnatural construct, but in the case of Yellow Fever and OPV/Polio, they had genes spliced around but the chimeras were almost exactly the same as the wild virus, they just mixed the genes around.
That's nothing like the chimera they had to build to make for COVID, which we know is based off both bat and common-cold genes from the OAS it elicits - so it's fundamentally unnatural. Something like the one in UNC in 2015, or like SARS or MERS which were also likely templates that got out before they were attenuated too far down into LAVs.
China was likely keeping the original highly-pathogenic chimera in its complete form as a weapon, or for an "accidental" release near Taiwan, which they'd miraculously have the perfect LAV already ready for, allowing them to come to the rescue.
So yes China knows exactly where this thing is going, and they're going apeshit because they know how horrible it is, and because even at this stage it may already have seeded something HIV-like in people who were hardly even symptomatic, that won't emerge for years. China is doing the reasonable thing and taking the threat seriously, the West is sleepwalking directly into extinction.
This entire pandemic is going to be a massive lesson in the concept of the passage of time between East and West, and it is not going to end well for us.
But at the same time I am trying to keep an open mind for an idea that Covid (all Covid, not just Omicron) may carry a hidden danger despite being seemingly mild for most people. And that China, knowing better what Covid is, may be not stupid in imposing super costly totalitarian mitigations.
What you said in your response above is internally consistent with everything I know.
There is also a suggestion floating around that Omicron is itself a secretly lab made "mild natural Covid vaccine". (the lack of synonymous gene changes make me personally almost certain that Omicron is lab made) I spent days considering it but decided that it is not mild enough to truly be such and we continue to be played with.
I am glad that I found your writings, because they explain not only that "Covid was made in a lab", but what was going on in the lab and why.
Russian conspiracy theorists always say that Covid was made at UNC and released in Wuhan to hide the origin. I do not dwell on this too much because in my own mind, there is no evidence to go by.
Also if it was not made by the Chinese, they would not know enough to be panicking as much as they do.
Now going back to Chinese mitigation such as spraying, do you think that there is alternative ways for covid to spread besides "the air"? You mentioned cholera once and it got me thinking. Cholera was also thought to spread via "miasma" until they figured out the water route.
Yeah everyone talking about Omicron being made in a lab is missing the fact that COVID was itself made in a lab, so it's going to continually display unnatural behavior. All that's happening is a LAV reverting, which isn't natural evolution and so looks unnatural.
That conspiracy isn't all that far off, in that at least the theory for this SARS-like LAV almost certainly started at UNC since that's the only place on earth making them, so that's kinda at least halfway there if not three-quarters. The research behind COVID started at UNC even if the virus itself might not have, or maybe it did - not sure it matters that much in the end.
And yeah COVID can almost certainly spread through poop, there was one case in Hong Kong apartments back at the start I think, and just yeah based on the fact the full swarm is in anal swab samples, seems to follow poops spreads it very well. That's also likely what accelerated the deattenuation at the WMG, since they brought in 250k extra people and almost certainly thousands of porta-potties.
That haphazard sanitation likely created the conditions for the FCS to emerge, and may be why China is spraying all over the place, I've heard they shit in holes basically everywhere over there, so I'd imagine in the cities they have homeless and whoever else crapping outside, so they need those sprays.
Thanks. It is a really good point about LAV reverting looking unnatural because the original LAV (the wuhan virus) was unnatural, so it would behave unnaturally when reverting, also. I never thought about that and while I do not know enough to make a judgment as to whether what you say is definitely true, it is a possibility that I cannot dismiss.
Omicron being a product of a lab is my pet theory, so I will have hard times letting it go and will keep seeking confirming evidence, but I will not forget what you said and it makes a good amount of sense.
Past immunity does still seem to work though, right? What is the experience with past coronaviruses, like cold coronaviruses, does natural immunity also wane over time?
If, hypothetically, a covid-recovered person like me was challenged with the full strength chimera virus that Covid was attempted to be a live vaccine for, do you think that chimera would fuck me up or it would be a no big deal?
I do know that it is hypothetical but I like to think about hypotheticals. I have a well developed sense of danger and I was able to stay out of a few bad shits before, like I was in cash during all major stock market crashes etc. My sense of danger also blared alarm about covid vax.
And when you said what you said about the virus regaining full strength, my sense of danger was also alarmed because I realized that it is not just crazy talk from an uninformed twitter weirdo, but there is a lot of logic behind that suggestion.
But the main question for me is, will the full strength virus be able to blow through existing natural immunity, especially for the vaccine-free. I believe that the vaccinated may not be acquiring the proper multi-antigen natural immunity but just make more useless Wuhan antibodies when challenged with live virus.
It's discussed at the start of part I, when OPV reverts in orphanages, the virus that emerges, a vaccine-derived polio-virus (VDPV) blows through both natural and vaccine immunity - they are an unstoppable nightmare.
Other CVs are natural and do natural things, this is not undergoing a natural process.
It's happening in real time, go back in my Twitter at any point and I have been steadily sounding the alarm at each phase of this, I am trying to explain what's happening but no one wants to listen.
Thanks. This was a very interesting discussion. I understand that nothing is certainly decided, but your theory does not contradict anything I know. As always predicting the future is dangerous. But I do think that your alarmist mindset is actually grounded in reality.
Sure thing, although I would argue I presented a comprehensive theoretical framework that resolves several historical paradoxes and anticipated everything that's happened, but yeah maybe it's wrong.
I'm pretty sure as soon as someone notable endorses this people are going to be falling all over themselves to talk about how obvious it is and all of that, but I guess we'll see yeah.
This is how it always is. Someone else gets credit and everyone says "it was totally obvious".
The 551 deaths added to December by South Africa is HUGE and depending on what days were affected, it affects deaths rate of the involved period by several TIMES.
I think that SA was upset with travel ban and tried to present this as a mild virus for totally ridiculous reasons.
It's far worse than that, the billionaire bankers controlling all of this as well as folks like Peter Thiel and Charles Koch are all working together to present the virus as getting weaker, because they've been told by Richard Ebright and Ralph Baric and others I'd imagine, that H1N1 got out as a LAV twice - in 1977 from the Russian/Chinese vaccine trial and in 2009 from the pig farm vaccine - and that was SO SCARY!!
"It was the pandemic virus!! But see even it went away, so now this one just needs to spread and it will go away too!!"
But they don't understand that H1N1 is merely the highly-pathogenic state of the endogenous human flu - it's our own virus totally acclimated to us, it jumped into pigs back in 1918 so erroneously got the name "Swine Flu," but that was simply the virus trying to escape from what it thought was a dying host population, since the artificial crowding in the build-up to WWII condensed all humanity much tighter than it ever had been before in recorded history.
How's that for a long sentence!?
So because of their fallacious logic, and because they think they're Gods who can control Nature, at least tens of millions and in a few years probably billions of people are going to die who otherwise wouldn't have. And strangely I've been explaining exactly what's going on for 10 months now, and yet not a peep of support from a single prominent voice.
Because our society has largely turned into corporate whores, and so yeah there's some smiting in order unfortunately.
We as a society have been captured by a few superbillionaires and the governments are owned by them in "public-private partnerships".
The media is in terrible shape and is basically a whore of corporations.
A lot of people think that their crimes and profiteering will be covered by by "mild Omicron" that will put an end to Covid.
I tend to agree with you that we are not yet seeing the "end of Covid" and that it is not a normal virus, although I realize that this is an uncertain prediction.
I also think that we will be seeing a mass dieoff of vaccinated people even if cvovid goes away. mRNA vaxes never succedded despite 20 years of trying, and saw dead test animals, cancers and ruined immunity. (as you well know, additionally, no coronavirus vaccine was ever successful).
I realize that it is also an uncertain prediction about the future but am wondering what you think about it.
The most important question is, how do you plan to ensure you aren't amongst the smoted? I'm with Igor, hearing everyone celebrate Omicron as the winding down of the pandemic has me very leery. The point of the movie where everyone thinks the fight is over and the good guys have prevailed is exactly when the loveable but expendable nerd / token minority gets his head bitten off.
Yes of course, to make a LAV first you have to make the chimera, that was the process with Yellow Fever to get a LAV that worked - OPV is also based off a chimera as well I believe. So it's an unnatural construct, but in the case of Yellow Fever and OPV/Polio, they had genes spliced around but the chimeras were almost exactly the same as the wild virus, they just mixed the genes around.
That's nothing like the chimera they had to build to make for COVID, which we know is based off both bat and common-cold genes from the OAS it elicits - so it's fundamentally unnatural. Something like the one in UNC in 2015, or like SARS or MERS which were also likely templates that got out before they were attenuated too far down into LAVs.
China was likely keeping the original highly-pathogenic chimera in its complete form as a weapon, or for an "accidental" release near Taiwan, which they'd miraculously have the perfect LAV already ready for, allowing them to come to the rescue.
So yes China knows exactly where this thing is going, and they're going apeshit because they know how horrible it is, and because even at this stage it may already have seeded something HIV-like in people who were hardly even symptomatic, that won't emerge for years. China is doing the reasonable thing and taking the threat seriously, the West is sleepwalking directly into extinction.
This entire pandemic is going to be a massive lesson in the concept of the passage of time between East and West, and it is not going to end well for us.
Thank you. As you know I am an anti-vaxxer.
But at the same time I am trying to keep an open mind for an idea that Covid (all Covid, not just Omicron) may carry a hidden danger despite being seemingly mild for most people. And that China, knowing better what Covid is, may be not stupid in imposing super costly totalitarian mitigations.
What you said in your response above is internally consistent with everything I know.
There is also a suggestion floating around that Omicron is itself a secretly lab made "mild natural Covid vaccine". (the lack of synonymous gene changes make me personally almost certain that Omicron is lab made) I spent days considering it but decided that it is not mild enough to truly be such and we continue to be played with.
I am glad that I found your writings, because they explain not only that "Covid was made in a lab", but what was going on in the lab and why.
Russian conspiracy theorists always say that Covid was made at UNC and released in Wuhan to hide the origin. I do not dwell on this too much because in my own mind, there is no evidence to go by.
Also if it was not made by the Chinese, they would not know enough to be panicking as much as they do.
Now going back to Chinese mitigation such as spraying, do you think that there is alternative ways for covid to spread besides "the air"? You mentioned cholera once and it got me thinking. Cholera was also thought to spread via "miasma" until they figured out the water route.
Yeah everyone talking about Omicron being made in a lab is missing the fact that COVID was itself made in a lab, so it's going to continually display unnatural behavior. All that's happening is a LAV reverting, which isn't natural evolution and so looks unnatural.
That conspiracy isn't all that far off, in that at least the theory for this SARS-like LAV almost certainly started at UNC since that's the only place on earth making them, so that's kinda at least halfway there if not three-quarters. The research behind COVID started at UNC even if the virus itself might not have, or maybe it did - not sure it matters that much in the end.
And yeah COVID can almost certainly spread through poop, there was one case in Hong Kong apartments back at the start I think, and just yeah based on the fact the full swarm is in anal swab samples, seems to follow poops spreads it very well. That's also likely what accelerated the deattenuation at the WMG, since they brought in 250k extra people and almost certainly thousands of porta-potties.
That haphazard sanitation likely created the conditions for the FCS to emerge, and may be why China is spraying all over the place, I've heard they shit in holes basically everywhere over there, so I'd imagine in the cities they have homeless and whoever else crapping outside, so they need those sprays.
Thanks. It is a really good point about LAV reverting looking unnatural because the original LAV (the wuhan virus) was unnatural, so it would behave unnaturally when reverting, also. I never thought about that and while I do not know enough to make a judgment as to whether what you say is definitely true, it is a possibility that I cannot dismiss.
Omicron being a product of a lab is my pet theory, so I will have hard times letting it go and will keep seeking confirming evidence, but I will not forget what you said and it makes a good amount of sense.
Past immunity does still seem to work though, right? What is the experience with past coronaviruses, like cold coronaviruses, does natural immunity also wane over time?
If, hypothetically, a covid-recovered person like me was challenged with the full strength chimera virus that Covid was attempted to be a live vaccine for, do you think that chimera would fuck me up or it would be a no big deal?
I do know that it is hypothetical but I like to think about hypotheticals. I have a well developed sense of danger and I was able to stay out of a few bad shits before, like I was in cash during all major stock market crashes etc. My sense of danger also blared alarm about covid vax.
And when you said what you said about the virus regaining full strength, my sense of danger was also alarmed because I realized that it is not just crazy talk from an uninformed twitter weirdo, but there is a lot of logic behind that suggestion.
But the main question for me is, will the full strength virus be able to blow through existing natural immunity, especially for the vaccine-free. I believe that the vaccinated may not be acquiring the proper multi-antigen natural immunity but just make more useless Wuhan antibodies when challenged with live virus.
We are living in very interesting times.
It's discussed at the start of part I, when OPV reverts in orphanages, the virus that emerges, a vaccine-derived polio-virus (VDPV) blows through both natural and vaccine immunity - they are an unstoppable nightmare.
Other CVs are natural and do natural things, this is not undergoing a natural process.
It's happening in real time, go back in my Twitter at any point and I have been steadily sounding the alarm at each phase of this, I am trying to explain what's happening but no one wants to listen.
Thanks. This was a very interesting discussion. I understand that nothing is certainly decided, but your theory does not contradict anything I know. As always predicting the future is dangerous. But I do think that your alarmist mindset is actually grounded in reality.
Sure thing, although I would argue I presented a comprehensive theoretical framework that resolves several historical paradoxes and anticipated everything that's happened, but yeah maybe it's wrong.
I'm pretty sure as soon as someone notable endorses this people are going to be falling all over themselves to talk about how obvious it is and all of that, but I guess we'll see yeah.
This is how it always is. Someone else gets credit and everyone says "it was totally obvious".
The 551 deaths added to December by South Africa is HUGE and depending on what days were affected, it affects deaths rate of the involved period by several TIMES.
I think that SA was upset with travel ban and tried to present this as a mild virus for totally ridiculous reasons.
It's far worse than that, the billionaire bankers controlling all of this as well as folks like Peter Thiel and Charles Koch are all working together to present the virus as getting weaker, because they've been told by Richard Ebright and Ralph Baric and others I'd imagine, that H1N1 got out as a LAV twice - in 1977 from the Russian/Chinese vaccine trial and in 2009 from the pig farm vaccine - and that was SO SCARY!!
"It was the pandemic virus!! But see even it went away, so now this one just needs to spread and it will go away too!!"
But they don't understand that H1N1 is merely the highly-pathogenic state of the endogenous human flu - it's our own virus totally acclimated to us, it jumped into pigs back in 1918 so erroneously got the name "Swine Flu," but that was simply the virus trying to escape from what it thought was a dying host population, since the artificial crowding in the build-up to WWII condensed all humanity much tighter than it ever had been before in recorded history.
How's that for a long sentence!?
So because of their fallacious logic, and because they think they're Gods who can control Nature, at least tens of millions and in a few years probably billions of people are going to die who otherwise wouldn't have. And strangely I've been explaining exactly what's going on for 10 months now, and yet not a peep of support from a single prominent voice.
Because our society has largely turned into corporate whores, and so yeah there's some smiting in order unfortunately.
We as a society have been captured by a few superbillionaires and the governments are owned by them in "public-private partnerships".
The media is in terrible shape and is basically a whore of corporations.
A lot of people think that their crimes and profiteering will be covered by by "mild Omicron" that will put an end to Covid.
I tend to agree with you that we are not yet seeing the "end of Covid" and that it is not a normal virus, although I realize that this is an uncertain prediction.
I also think that we will be seeing a mass dieoff of vaccinated people even if cvovid goes away. mRNA vaxes never succedded despite 20 years of trying, and saw dead test animals, cancers and ruined immunity. (as you well know, additionally, no coronavirus vaccine was ever successful).
I realize that it is also an uncertain prediction about the future but am wondering what you think about it.
Re a "mass dieoff," you might be interested in reading about the "End of Cycle Formula." Also see the comment by Brabantian, who cites Luigi Warren.
https://www.henrymakow.com/2021/07/how-long-do-vaccinated-have-to.html
The most important question is, how do you plan to ensure you aren't amongst the smoted? I'm with Igor, hearing everyone celebrate Omicron as the winding down of the pandemic has me very leery. The point of the movie where everyone thinks the fight is over and the good guys have prevailed is exactly when the loveable but expendable nerd / token minority gets his head bitten off.
"There is nothing new under the sun."
Joseph Moshe (MOSSAD Microbiologist): "Swine flu vaccine is bioweapon"
https://archive.is/uqPmw
Dan, can you explain what the attraction is to a LAV?
Because they're the most effective kind of vaccine when you do them right, it's explained in the article.