The Last Interview the Sirotkins Will Ever Give

After years of theft, misrepresentation, and insults it's become abundantly clear that no one's interested in the Truth, so we're closing up the PR Department.

Inception.

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So after my dad and I, two U.S. citizens who’ve previously held TS/SCI clearances, spent nearly the past two years doing our absolute best to convey the incredibly dire nature of this pandemic using what was literally the absolute cutting-edge science of the time to the following journalists, filmmakers, and investigators starting in early 2020 as this pandemic was first getting started:

• William J. Broad (NYT)

• John Mecklin (Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists)

• Nicholson Baker (New York Magazine)

• Josh Rogin (Washington Post)

• Drew Griffin (CNN)

• David Malone (UK Director)

• David Asher (U.S. Government)

…and then getting completely and entirely ignored by each and every one of them, finally someone came along to ask us some questions and tell our side of the story. That interview is posted in its entirety below to make sure that our words are conveyed with the proper context and exactly as they’re intended, and you can keep an eye out on the Homolog Bioinformatic Blog to see his take on our story going forward.

We answered his questions back in late October, so this doesn’t include the newest arguments since those came a few weeks later.

The COVID-19 Pandemic is the result of a deattenuating SARS-like Live-Attenuated Vaccine (LAV), and neither vaccines nor natural immunity is going to stop it. The Omicron variant has regained the the ability for airborne transmission among mice because it’s returned far enough back toward it’s original highly-chimeric V-1000 form to “remember” the humanized mice that it was originally constructed on, which have some human immune genes spliced into their now mostly-murine genomes. When it first got out it jumped immediately into farmed mink all across the world because those are overlapping cousins with the lab ferrets it was deattenuated down on as it was weakened down into a LAV.

And now that it’s had nearly two years of circulation among every modern human society on the planet, and so like the T-1000 rebuilding itself from tiny pieces, it’s now gotten close enough back to its original form for airborne transmission among mice - ubiquitous hitchhikers that infest every single major human city on earth. There is now no way to stop the unchecked reversion of SARS-CoV-2 back to its original full-strength form except for stopping public transmission. Until the rest of the world is ready to accept that and move forward, there’s absolutely nothing at all else to be said.

Just keep talking, and pretend like you can ignore all the dying.

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1. Cover up operation

1. Who is Nicholas Wade working with? Did he get in touch with you before writing his article?

Nope he didn’t reach out at all, I had no idea he was writing an article at all until it was published. But based on the timing of some of the interactions with David Asher, who also seemed to insist that Yuri Deigin was somehow responsible for the work me and my father alone produced, I’d imagine both of them played a part in organizing the production of that article. 

Both of those men are the definition of spineless cowards, just lying and deceiving because it gains them influence and gets them paid. 

We immediately emailed Wade explaining his statement at the end about Yuri being the first person to discuss all of this was completely bullshit, and that he needed to attribute us in several other places, and he totally ignored us. And speaking of that pattern, if that Dr. Quay guy had been acting in good faith - why in the world didn’t he contact me and my father while he was working on his preposterous hundred-plus page pre-print? 

That thing was commissioned by the page with your tax dollars so a pharmaceutical salesman could go in front of Congress and then on Fox News to cosplay as a scientist, and try and get more investments and further occlude the truth: This virus came from vaccine research. 

Because they are all whores, accepting dollars to cover-up the worst crime against humanity in history. I think it’s very, very important to be extremely explicit about what is going on here – everyone from Nicholas Wade to Alina Chan to Josh Rogin and back to Tony Fauci are all very, very willingly and knowingly being paid lots and lots of money – signing book deals on top of their paychecks - to cover up for billionaires who are determined to play God. 

Millions and millions of innocents are going to die because all of these people believe in their own inherent superiority over the general public. 

Our last name means “orphan,” because my father’s side of the family were forced to flee the persecution of the Russian Tsars because of his family’s faith, we would have been exterminated if we’d stayed within the Russian Empire. And that’s something I’ve never forgotten, and although I’m large and athletic enough that antisemitism hasn’t been an issue in my personal life, I did presentations about Josef Mengele whenever I could growing-up, because in a sense: what he did was far more dangerous that Hitler. 

Hitler’s evil was apparent and obvious, it was simple, and it was tied to a specific country in a specific moment. But what Mengele was doing happened under the guise of Science, and so it seemed like much more of a threat than someone like Hitler coming along, at least when I was a kid. Plus even current historians would talk about the knowledge that was gained from the tortures Mengele designed, but yeah maybe there’s some knowledge that isn’t necessary or generally considered forbidden throughout humanity for a reason. 

Maybe we aren’t meant to learn what happens when you force incest between siblings and slowly torture humans to death in every way imaginable. 

And the effects of ignoring the Asilomar Conference for at least two decades has now come home to roost, and all the little mini-Mengeles like Fauci and Ebright and Chan are scrambling to save face. But in the not-too distant future they’re gonna be scrambling to save a lot more than that, once the general public catches on to the fact that not only have these people been making millions and millions of dollars to do this research over the decades, but then once it backfired all they have done is lie and deceive to try and cover it all up, effectively murdering millions instead of accepting accountability for what they’ve done. 

Karl here. Wade is also obviously a liar, or completely incompetent. He linked to Dan’s most scatological post rebutting the Anderson nonsense article, but it was in the set of Dan’s blogs that including the posting from Jan 31, 2020, which was as far as I know, the first detailed analysis of why COV2 most likely came from the lab.   This was MONTHS before Yuri Diegan (more about him, later) posted anything, as far as I know, yet Wade explicitly credited Yuri to be the first.  I wonder what induced that likely lie?  It is inconceivable that he missed the post.  

Here is a comment I publicly posted on Dan’s site: This is a link to the Wade article

https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/

He has this completely inaccurate statement in his Acknowledgements:

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The first person to take a serious look at the origins of the SARS2 virus was Yuri Deigin, a biotech entrepreneur in Russia and Canada. In a long and brilliant essay, he dissected the molecular biology of the SARS2 virus and raised, without endorsing, the possibility that it had been manipulated. The essay, published on April 22, 2020, provided a roadmap for anyone seeking to understand the virus’s origins

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First I will assert that posting with a name identical or similar to the posting here, obviously limited to events known by January, 2020, which was plenty serious predates Yuri's essay by months. It seems to me that because of Wades linking to Dan's takedown of the gravely flawed Anderson political pseudo science with "A technical critique of the Andersen letter takes it down in harsher words." linking to here:

https://harvardtothebighouse.com/2020/03/19/china-owns-nature-magazines-ass-debunking-the-proximal-origin-of-sars-cov-2-claiming-covid-19-wasnt-from-a-lab/

Unless he is incompetent, he would have known about our earlier publication. Possible incompetence aside, what is it called when someone states something they know to be untrue?

Oh yes, and he was way too arrogant to have responded to my questioning him about this by email.

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-Do you suspect him to be a part of the UK cover up operation? 

As far as I can tell absolutely everyone in the public eye and mainstream media for this is part of the cover-up, wittingly or not. I don’t know enough British acronyms, but over here we obviously have DARPA and the NIAID, I guess it’s the Wellcome Trust or something over there? Not sure how those sorts of groups connect to your intelligence community, here they appear to own ours pretty much entirely. 

So I’m not sure how to distinguish between the UK and US side of the cover-up, based on the communications between Jeremy Farrar and Tony Fauci and others it seems like it was coordinated across both sides of the pond. My dad and I passed an early version of our initial report on to contacts within the National Security Council a few days before it went live online on January 31, 2020 – so that may have influenced those early February calls and emails. 

-Interestingly, right after he published his article in May 2021, all MSM propaganda sites came out in unison to explain that the virus could be leaked from a lab. Even FB announced that it would allow such "conspiracy" posts. That kind of coordinated operation requires careful planning.

Yeah it’s round two of what started in April 2020, just another stage, likely got started in January when the State Department issued that little memo, and DRASTIC’s name was first allowed into the media. 

2. What is the background of Daoyu? I do not recall seeing his name in your document.

Not sure, he’s mentioned in the timeline for the first time in the fall, I have my dad for technical stuff but he’s clearly got an incredibly technical background as well, although he keeps a low profile. It took awhile for me to catch up on enough of the nitty-gritty to interact with him much, but he’s a fantastic resource and his recent critiques helped lead to this recent footnote to my quasispecies paper: 

2 It’s well within the realm of possibility that the FCS is a bit of red herring, in the sense that it might not have been the genomic trigger that allowed the original SARS-CoV-2 strain to go airborne - a cryptic deletion, a novel substitution, or a different insertion may have actually triggered that. Additionally, it may have already been extant in the original LAV, but only become functional after it was selected for following heavy transmission at the Wuhan Military Games. However it still parallels the 2012 ferret-influenza GOF work so directly that if the same phenomenon occurred, of serial passage through whole hosts leading to a virus gaining airborne transmission, they must’ve realized the FCS would be the viral shibboleth that revealed the truth and subsequently tried to downplay its existence. 

Additionally, there were a few isolated populations of immunocompromised patients in Wuhan receiving treatment for HIV and other diseases, which may have provided a unique population of hosts for unintentional serial passage, and whose compromised immune function may have provided the circumstances that led to SARS-CoV-2’s initial airborne jump. Life, after all, finds a way. 

Karl here: Daoyu seems incredibly competent and discovered, for example,  COVID genomes in agricultural whole genome projects.  I thought the offered publication was top-notch, but while I was still allowed in the Drastic Slack that was working on publications, it had not found a home.  BTW – being pushed out of that Slack without a work of explanation makes me doubt the integrity of everyone involved with Drastic.  My account was simply blocked, after Yuri accused me and Dan of plagiarism, an assertion that was clearly absurd but which the group obviously supported since they ran me and Dan out of the group. Most of them are anonymous aliases, I am an accredited scientist with a very serious reputation and career, it was abundantly clear that group was meant to distract from the work my son and I did.  

3. When and how did "TheSeeker" get involved with DRASTIC? What is his background and what are his contributions with DRASTIC?

Yeah at some point in the summer of 2020 a bunch of random people started getting added to the DRASTIC group Twitter chat, nearly everyone in there was random. At that point it became pretty clear various intelligence services and other interests were trying to turn the whole thing into a limited hangout, and I didn’t want to get me or my family murdered. 

Which might sound alarmist, but keep in mind in 1988, Theodore Strecker - brother of Dr. Robert Strecker who was attempting to bring the truth about HIV’s likely lab origins to light - was shot to death, and the Douglas Huff - the Illinois State Senator helping them expose this - was found dead of an overdose. 

Both were ruled suicides. And then three years later, their publicist disappeared. 

Additionally, there are the better known examples of George Webb with the CIA’s cocaine smuggling and Daphne Caruana Galizia, murdered for exposing the Panama Papers. When independent journalists like me and my father effectively go up against forces like this, up against the eldritch billionaires whose sociopathy is the main source of suffering in the world, those who challenge them get killed or disappeared all the time. 

And so at that point, my priority became safety and not fighting back against all the lies and deceit that began, as Alina Chan and people in DRASTIC began bringing up my criminal background, which couldn’t be farther from anything that would matter to the science around the pandemic, and saying me and my father weren’t doing enough, or didn’t deserve any credit at all in the first place. 

It was the most ham-fisted artificial power-grab imaginable; these people are socially toddlers in a lot of ways. Later, although me and my dad were two of the founding members of the “Paris Group,” Jamie Metzl would get us unilaterally removed from that for no reason other than I was challenging all of his incessant bullshit praising the WHO and saying at first they should be left alone to do their jobs, and the rest of the group were either cowards or part of the cover-up in the first place. 

Why did it take me and my dad to publish about serial passage? It’s the glaringly most obvious source for a virus with an indeterminate origin like this, since by definition it blurs the line between natural and artificial, since it’s a natural process artificially accelerated and channeled.  

It was just raw gaslighting, they were all being manipulative or drunk on their own sense of self-importance, so after I complained to the House of Lords about Matt Ridley and Alina Chan’s attempt to bribe others to formally remove me and my father from an new academic paper a bunch of us were working on – Yuri made sure I was “voted” out. Even though the entire idea was that DRASTIC was just a clearinghouse, there was no formal voting or any of that ever before – but once money and fame were in the picture, DRASTIC did all they could to make sure me and my father were disappeared, and that they got credit for all the work and research and risks we had taken. 

Since other folks in DRASTIC mentioned “working with the FBI,” I’d imagine either they or other acronyms recruited them to try and steer the conversation back towards the mines and databases, which are an absolutely laughable red-herrings. There is no way to trust absolutely any data that comes out of China at this point, and there wasn’t any reason to trust their data in the first place. And from challenging TheSeeker a little on Twitter it was clear he’s being run by someone, and is convinced of his own moral superiority and intellectual brilliance. 

But yeah the thing is he never did a single thing beyond “Hey look, a database!” which was probably fed to him in the first place. But of course he’s all over Vanity Fair and Newsweek, because how else are Fauci and Ebright and the rest going to convince the world of their new narrative? Isn’t it weird how Jamie Metzl thinks he should be speaking about science publicly, and my father should be totally silenced?

The scientific community is sitting by while this happens, while these people speak for them and destroy any trust at all the public had with the scientific community. 

It’s all spin control, they’re playing games with politics and accountability for their own crimes as millions die, and likely hundreds of millions more are becoming debilitated with Long Covid. None of them have any idea what this virus is, not a single one of them did the slightest bit of meaningful research or analysis or writing, and yet they’re all heroes while me and my father get forgotten and pushed aside?

Meanwhile, one founder of the Broad Institute is writing on behalf of Charles Lieber for clemency, and the other is the Presidential Science Advisor who took meetings with Jeffery Epstein – but the entire world is sold on this narrative that Alina Chan is some kind of brave maverick, instead of doing exactly what she’s being instructed to do to preserve funding for the Broad Institute’s Foundry, which is looking to use gain-of-function work directly on the human genome. Alina Chan has already done experiments serial passaging Ebola into human cells, the idea that any of these people don’t know exactly what’s going on is beyond absurd. 

But it probably doesn’t help that the sitting Director of National Intelligence spent 2020 campaigning alongside a former Secretary of the Navy for more STEM cooperation with China as part of a massive push alongside DARPA’s Applied Research Lab to get hundreds of millions more in funding, or that most of the current Cabinet are alums of WestExec, which has deep ties to the Chinese government which they tried to scrub from the internet.    

The American government is overrun with fancy traitorous assholes. 

Karl here: Yuri is a liar.  I have hard evidence that he stated that Dan threatened to cut throats when we have the evidence that Dan said the above incident was referring to figuratively getting his own throat cut. From my past lack of pushback against negative statements about my son, you might not realize how steamed I have been. I am just beginning to figure out how to push back. It is hard for me to know what is effective, and I have some professional reason to not name certain names.

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4. Who leaked the DoD grant proposal? What is going on here?

The same people who started the initial cover-up are trying to establish another new narrative, now that they can’t just keep insisting how natural the virus is, but they still need an engineering story which also has nothing to do with vaccine work. That’s why everyone is so terrified of and the nerve me and my father hit back in January 2020, we pointed directly at this being linked to vaccine work. And so now that the walls are closing in, the sociopaths at DARPA and the rest are continually trying to stop the bleeding – WAIT NO IT WAS MADE IN A LAB MAYBE, BUT DEFINITELY NOT VACCINE STUFF!! MAYBE THIS CRAZY BAT AEROSOL SPRAY DID IT!! 

Alina Chan is still opining about the FCS and not the canyon hypothesis or gatekeeping mutations or the direct jump into mink farms because she’s a useful idiot, who has no trouble preening and pretending while millions and millions of people die all around her. They really need to upgrade “sociopath” somehow.

However if freaking Ron Fouchier, who lead one of the two teams that did the work with influenza being serially passaged through ferrets and gaining the FCS that allowed airborne transmission, if he is on the record saying he thinks the 1977 H1N1 leak was a live-attenuated vaccine strain gone wrong, why in the world aren’t all these other fancy important scientists in the public eye and all over the media discussing that angle? Probably because it implicates both Big Pharma as well as DARPA and the other government agencies who pioneered and paid for this research.  

5. How did you and your dad get involved in this in Jan 2020? Did you work on viral sequences previously or did you pick up the necessary background right there and then?

I’d been chasing down the connections between human societies and immunology for a while, back in 2012 I wrote the first draft of this piece, which argues that racism likely has a bunch of unconscious immunological underpinnings. And back in 2019 I’d started corresponding with Dr. Shi Huang about his MGD theory, which also teases out the genetic differences between human populations. 

So when the pandemic broke I lost my job as a waiter, and had more time to follow this stuff, which quickly became more important than the writing about prison I’d been planning on finally getting to.

But I’d never done a BLAST or anything like that until like February 2020, and it only took me about 15 minutes of struggling through that to remind my dad that he’d been using those tools for decades, and just about helped design some of them. So my last formal scientific studies was taking AP Bio in high school about 20 years ago, but because of my dad’s career I’d always stayed familiar with this stuff. 

And lucky for me, while I was in prison my dad would spend I don’t know how many hours printing out and mailing in Wikipedia articles so I could teach myself more genetics or neurobiology or whatever I was digging into in there, since free time was fairly abundant. By the time it was time to go, I had about four and a half-feet of articles stacked up between my cell and the special ed classroom where the teacher I aided allowed me to keep excess paperwork and books. 

So I had a wide background kind of tangential to the actual sequence analysis stuff, and then my dad and some other folks along the way, especially JC Couey, provided a lot of vital feedback and other rabbit-holes to go down. Let me know if you’re not familiar with JC’s story, because yeah it really needs to be told because he got hosed worse than us – lost his job at UPitt for making peer reviews, something along those lines. 

Karl here: My PhD is in Microbiology.  I taught Molecular Virology at the University of Tennessee, Dan and I followed Ebola virus just out of curiosity when it first hit the news.  So this was a completely natural extension. 

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2. Actual science on the origin of virus

-Ignoring the "officially approved" expert virologists, I see two hypotheses:

A. Wuhan group collected a lot of viruses from the caves and tested their bindings against human ACE2 receptor. Then they chose the best candidate, tweaked here and there and inseted FCS to make it more infectious. Somehow the concoction leaked out of the lab.

B. The Chinese and Americans were making a pan-coronavirus vaccine through serial passage of bat coronavirus in humanized mouse or ferret, and then spread the "vaccine" around during the Wuhan military games. Somehow, it gained FCS under stress like the flu viruses did in the past.

Of course, we may have some combination of A and B going on. As I understand, you think various nefarious characters are trying to promote A over B, because B is where the bodies are buried.

Questions -

1. What are the biggest criticisms of A and B?

Yeah in theory even the vaccine-strain that I’m proposing could’ve leaked out somehow, maybe into the water, and started to propagate that way as opposed to having been intentionally given as a LAV, so I think the sharpest distinction is whether or not this was related to vaccine work – or at least whether or not they know EXACTLY what is going on. As we point out in our addendum, the 1977 H1N1 “escape” had in fact been engineered, almost certainly by serial passage. And like I mentioned earlier, apparently Ron Fouchier himself believes that sucker was in fact a LAV.

And as you point out, there’s a really inescapable element of intent with the vaccine stuff, since that doesn’t need to escape from a lab if it’s in fact intentionally dosed into the population. 

Once you have a firm understanding of the quasispecies phenomenon underlying all airborne RNA viruses, Door A becomes much more unlikely because of the way quasispecies swarms propagate, which really is closer to the more folksy idea of bad air. In the same way that it takes awhile for highly-pathogenic avian influenzas (HPAIs) to accumulate on chicken farms and only infect workers at first, one passing urban exposure to airborne viruses is not going to be enough for an active infection. 

These quasispecies swarms build up over time, which is why those HPAIs take multiple waves to get to the point where they’re airborne and infecting workers. A lab with a leak, or with one or two exposed workers, would cause a spread that nearly would be undetectable with a virus that presented as asymptomatically as SARS-CoV-2 does especially at first, and given how much affinity for human cells COVID has, unlike an avian influenza, it wouldn’t have needed multiple waves necessarily. Which may well be what happened with SARS and MERS, which are much more virulent strains that don’t appear to have been broken down into LAVs yet, but which were able to jump immediately into human cells. 

Neither of them took out just a single city all at once, they spread much more linearly than COVID because they created far more symptomatic infections, being that they weren’t broken down into LAV form yet. 

And with an attenuated vaccine strain like SARS-CoV-2, an infected lab worker isn’t necessarily going to create active infections in everyone he’s on the bus or in the movies with, given enough time he’d likely infect people living in a building that shares his air, possibly housemates or coworkers he eats lunch with, but it would take a little bit. However this pandemic emerged very abruptly, at first it appeared right around the WIV, but by now more attention around the Wuhan Military Games is starting to grow. However unlike SARS and MERS, it got across the entire globe in just a matter of weeks. 

What happened around the WIV I believe was the result of a vaccine trial gone wrong, which I’m suspicious Ralph Baric may have volunteered to cook up, since he’s previously bragged about not being afraid of any virus, since he’d be able to instantly make himself a personal vaccine.

And although that might seem and in fact be foolproof on him personally, in the real world once the swarm has a chance to respond to that strain and work around it, in the lab they’ve seen 80% of hosts drop dead inside a month when a vaccine against an airborne coronavirus leads to ADE. Which fits with the picture that emerged around Wuhan, of folks dropping dead in the street, and crematoriums burning 24/7 into February.

So since Baric’s lab was the only place on Earth working on a SARS-like LAV in the first place, and with their history of those chimeras, it seems pretty likely that Ralph Baric and in turn everyone attached to Event 201 monitoring the Wuhan Military Games knew exactly what was going to happen. But they didn’t expect the de-attenuation back to an airborne state, which was likely an unexpected evolutionary shortcut, and so they went to Baric for a fix – oh yeah maybe because he was the corresponding author on this 2018 paper that reported that reversion with a single defective gene made that reversion more quickly in immunocompromised patients, and so they tried making another gene defective in addition to the first, which seemed to hold up. 

Of course it is just a numbers game, and with enough infected folks, it would be almost guaranteed to revert.  Additionally, my dad has discussed this a number of times, with his prior work thinking about epistatic mutations dates back about 40 years (Advantages to  Mutagenesis  Techniques Generating Populations Containing  the  Complete  Spectrum of Single Codon Changes  1-s2.0-S0022519386802429-main) The concept that making a mutation in a gene that reduces the number of mutants produced would cause there more mutations to be generated - a great way to eventually  make a monster. When my dad was making fruit flies or their viruses or something bang each other, to make interesting variants the population at hand would be hit with a mutagen to increase the rate of mutation, but obviously you can do the same thing by tinkering with the genes that are meant to stop mutations from emerging. 

2. Given that all analyses started with RaTG13, how can we be sure that it was a real virus and not fake (i.e. constructed in the lab)? If I remember correctly, the short read sequence file submitted by the chinese was full of garbage.

Yeah since RaTG13 is a consensus sequence we don’t know what in the heck it is or came from, no one’s been able to demonstrate it can exist at all last I checked. My guess is that it was a step along the way during SARS-CoV-2’s codon-deoptimization, but it could be a pure red herring, or just like an older version or something.  

Karl here: This is one of the mysteries.  Even Shi said she could never culture it.  My best guess with uncertain data is that the genome was constructed out of whole cloth at worst, and from poor meta-genome experiments and bioinformatics as a constructed genome at best.  When I first heard of it and thought it was real, it did its job making a natural origin seem plausible.

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3. If the SARS-CoV2 virus came through serial passage experiments, why does the spike protein show far more differences from RaTG13 than the other proteins? Did they start with some other virus we have not seen yet?

Correct that would be my guess, and that we’re never gonna see where it really came from – that data was disappeared a long, long time ago. 

4. What are the implications of FCS using those rare CGG codons?

Yeah my understanding is that it doesn’t look like the current FCS would get added the exact same way it was with ferrets and influenza, as a four amino-acid insert, and there’s that entire seventeen or eighteen nucleotide stretch that shows up in a bunch of vaccine patents. I don’t know if that’s a result of convergent human optimization or a sequence they just go to, but maybe my single biggest take-away from this is that coronaviruses have entire suites of genes that only get activated inside their hosts. So unless an experiment is actually doing in vivo work like they did with the flu strains and ferrets circa 2012, which by definition is far more dangerous and difficult, no one really knows what’s going to happen until you actually give the virus a bunch of live hosts and let Nature see what happens. Which is a big reason why those results with ferrets and influenza were such a surprise. 

Especially assuming that HIV really was a result of OPV gone wrong, and the generations of suffering in the gay community was preventable, it really would be incredibly poetic if it was HIV patients in Wuhan getting immunotherapy who served as the first effective incubators. And it wouldn’t surprise me if the CCP tested this thing first on the Uighur concentration camps where it seemed to work, but then within Wuhan’s millions it found an immunocompromised population that led to it going airborne one way or another, whether or not the FCS was directly responsible, the Chinese obviously realized it pointed back to the seminal 2012 gain-of-function serial passage studies. 

Karl here: Two things about OPV.  (1) Dan uncovered the peer reviewed literature that shows that IT REALLY HAS deattenutated, causing over a hundred cases of poliomyelitis in the developing world, which I think informed some of his COVID2 thinking.  This seems to be a combination of reverting mutation, and one recombination event with some OTHER VIRUS to complete the reconstruction.  This is not to say the OPV did not prevent a lot of suffering, just that LAVs can and do revert - not just a theory.

(2) If OPV was involved with AIDs, it was NOT ALL THE OPV, only a few batches MADE IMPROPERLY in a particular place in Africa where funds and perhaps know-how were lacking.  I am not promoting this theory, just pointing out that even within the theory, there was laboratory error involved.  (And my bet is that laboratory error plays a role somewhere in COV2 as well.)

5. Does the recently reported virus from Laos change any of the understanding?

Nope, just more flappy red-herrings. 

6. Did the leaked grant proposal change any of the understanding?

Not as far as I can tell, although I didn’t read it in detail. 

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3. Comments and speculations on other topics

Questions -

1. Do you think the mainstream virologists and governments will be able cover this up and move on in "business as usual" mode ? If they cannot, all government-funded big science operations will be destroyed from a lack of public trust.

Not a chance due to the nature of the quasispecies swarm, and considering this thing started as a LAV that’s already managed to infect every urban center on Earth. Until humanity profoundly changes the way public spaces are ventilated and what public health means, this thing is going to keep killing. But especially since so much of the economic engine runs out people being jammed into buildings like chickens on poultry farms, I don’t see a solution anytime soon. And so long as this virus keeps killing, the survivors will keep looking for answers. 

All humanity is on the way to being destroyed from a lack of public trust. 

2. What is going on with the clot-shot? What is their planned end-game? Did the vaccine promoters over-estimate their abilities or was creating maximum chaos their actual goal?

Apparently, DARPA and Big Pharma both have had a hard-on for that technology for a long-time, and based on some of the past statements by Bill Gates and Fauci it’s pretty apparent they’ve been planning on how to loophole their way past regulations for a long while as well. Definitely don’t think maximum chaos was ever the goal because these people live on illusion, they have very little idea how to function in the real world at all, and legitimately could not function in most very normal circumstances. 

As soon as their security teams realize what these people have done, and that the imaginary digits representing their salary have become worthless due to hyperinflation - Nature will take its course.  

3. Moderna claims it created its vaccine over a weekend, but is that another distraction to hide their ties with WIV?

Yeah since Big Pharma are the ones with the most scientists in the world familiar with vaccines, and familiar with LAVs – I have a hard time believing that at least at the higher levels they don’t know exactly what’s going on. But I’m not sure how much of that is ever going to be proven, and to me what’s even worse is that the entire theory around these vaccines was so obviously broken from the start based on what we know from poultry farms. 

Targeting one-protein has never worked against a coronavirus, ever, and it’s created some catastrophic results as well. 

Karl here: What has made it hard for me to completely agree with Dan’s specific vaccine scenario is that it should be a set of scenarios, scientifically, and even with the set, it is only one possibility. So although his scenario is possible, maybe the most likely, as a scientist, I have to acknowledge that there are other possibilities, which I think we even outline back in January of 2020.  The following are variants of the vaccine scenarios, which again, are not the only reasonable scenarios.  What makes them more likely is, as Dan points out, the lack of their discussion from the “approved” set of folks. Very suspicious, that.

For example, it is also possible that a vaccine (or some escaped virus) that did not spread much was somehow, given not necessarily to the Uighurs (although, again, this is not disagreement that this COULD have been done), but was widespread in Wuhan.  If a vaccine, CPP/Wuhan would have known about it, if not a vaccine, could have spread ghostly (that is, under the radar).  Then a 2nd escaped virus or vaccine caused ADE in the classic Dengue virus sense, and that is what caused the Wuhan extreme infections.  

The other alternative is that only the widespread infections with the first virus led to the severe reaction.  I mean what went global was bad enough, but the putative prior infection appeared to make it much worse.

Speaking of ADE, there is one action item that I think should be universally taken, if it is not already, and that is monitoring for variants that cause even low levels of ADE.  The problem with that, is that one of the populations that should be monitored is those vaccinated.  And politically, even considering that vaccination could have another risk would not fly.  One sign of it would be particular variants that cause, statistically, worse infection in those whose vaccination antibodies have waned with time.  However, classical ADE, as I understand it, has to be confirmed in vitro.

Oh yes, and Dan got ahead of the Microbiologist.  I had missed the swarming concept entirely, as it was not part of what I normally saw, he saw its importance.

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